Curse

Sluggs · Aug 26, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Witness the 105/85/55 monk bandwagon for a demonstration of the popularity of soloing (and the whining of those that didn't or couldn't afford to do it about those that did).

ANet would be better nerfing the reason for soloing not builds that can do it.

Soloing isn't much fun. There is no interaction with other people in what is supposed to be an online game (hey I know that cuts both ways) there is little variety of build, tactics, or locations so why do people do it? Because drops and exp suck and suck up to 8 times more in a party.

My W/Mo soloed Riverside the other day, he killed far more Mantel than he needed to, killed every Zealot, boss and Hill Giant he could find and delivered the Scepter to complete the mission. He got some crappy minor runes that sold for about 200g total, a bit more crafting material to clog his inventory, a gold staff that maybe a newbie could use and some small fraction of the way to another skill point. The drops hadn't dried up from farming he hadn't been there in weeks. A complete waste of time and getting 1/6th of that crap in a party would be six times worse.

Blizzard knew in D2 that drops, exp and difficulty have to scale with party size, so should have Anet.

curserwigger · Aug 26, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

There are way to many threads about this already...what good will another one do really?

Mavrik · Aug 26, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

only took a few posts to complain and destroy Nature's Renewal...

anything can happen. YES NERF THE REASON FOR SOLO! I agree.

ZenRgy · Aug 26, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Yeah, my friend and I have discussed this - IMO, when they used to say 'get away from the grind etc.' all they did was lower the max lvl - don't get me wrong, I love this game - and I love the PvP even more.

But the chance to get good drops in PvE is incredibly hard - and if you find a good spot to farm, it ends up getting nerfed.

Help us!

BigTru · Aug 26, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by curserwigger

There are way to many threads about this already...what good will another one do really?

I guess spamming complaints seems to work better than logic with A.Net... I mean, wasn't it the spammers who got the 105/55 monk nerfed in the first place? Spirits and Putrid too (although I do think spirits deserved it...)?

I guess it's "he who screams loudest"?

FatherNurgle · Aug 26, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I spent retarded gold on black dye when prices spike near 40k. You expect a return so you pay more for a commodity. They nerfed it and I lost several thousand gold... Time wasted!

I bought and saved runes as prices went up!... Runes nerfed, lost time and gold.

This is before I went solo monk! I spent weeks and many hours to get what I had only to relize that they do not understand supply and demand.

What they want is a price floor and ceiling with a max release from merchants perday. BUT ANET ARE IDOITS!

Then they make soloing retarded longer! Y? Anyone could build a solo monk. I spent hours and weeks getting the gold to buy the runes!!! If you want it you play hard for it! Then it gets nerfed......... More wasted time!

The only thing ANET has done for me is waste my freaking time over and over. After you have several characters who lvl20, one of the only joys in this game is farming and trying to unlock items for PvP. It is not the monks who earn their gold who spend it like retards. It is the ppl who do not work for it and purchase gold off ebay that F-up the economy causing inflation.

They make it worthless to farm in groups and make drops dumb as all hell. They only good drops came when you would solo! Great Freaking LOGIC ANET! Then you nerf the ppl who spent a retard amount of time not exploiting the game, rather playing inventive combinations with retarded achillies heals! INVINCY monks were far from invincible! They could be dropped, but not in close combat and in the right situations. A mesmer or necro would kick the crap out of a 55 monk! I can not believe you think you did a good thing.

I am not gonna continue to play your silly missions and quests over and over and over again! You game suffers from lack of replayability. I replayed the crap to get new skills so I could PvP with whatever i wanted, but that you nerfed farming and now solo builds, I am not wasting any more of my time playing your game! You want us to post, and here is my outrage. I spent so much time playing your game, and I still have things to unlock. You have made it impossible for any ppl other than complete noobs to enjoy the game!

Solo Monks provided a service. You have no idea how cheap I sold some really nice items. I sold ecto to the merchant at 7k, so that stock would be available. Now prices are going to got up and the runes I have are now worthless!

People who agree that is was a good thing refused to change and mimic the strats creative ppl came up with, or did not come up with a way to beat em. There was no perfect build that did not ahve weaknesses. You have only injured your game, by wasting peoples time and investments!

coleslawdressin · Aug 26, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

/signed

lazy f*cking jealous whiners get their way again

aB- · Aug 26, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

AGREE completely.

Why does going solo net a better reward than going with a group? This game was meant to be played with a group, not soloed. Now granted, there maybe should be a better reward going solo than with others, but not 8x or 6x the reward. At most, a SLIGHT increase in drops by going solo would fit.

Ace P900 · Aug 26, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Father Nurgle YOU`RE SO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOIGN RIGHT Anet screws it up foor people who enjoy the game much and try to understand lil tricks and stuff you could only find out after playing allot and You could only get that kinda money when u played allot just to get the build up then spend loads of time perfecting it and understanding it then it finally work after so many hours and Gold...Then ANet gets the perfect idea To Rais the minimum enrgy lost on Protectiove bond for axample so some of the farming monks get completly use less GREAT work guys !!! You didnt make the game ANY better just Ruined all the Fun people had in making the build getting themm to lvl 20,, Tring to find bargains on items u ened ,, hard work findeing the skills thta was fun...Then u atleast need to do something for the money it made the game fun making running build to dorknars for money other choose farmers to get some money Great its fun and usefull for other people who made their 9th character and dont weanna do the whole RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing story and just want to get ascended and wnana have good armor... I suggest You guys at Anet Play the Game ur selfs and try to make money ur self .. huh with all the noobs paying money inn real life for ingame cash.. pathetic do something about that :S Thats exploiting the game!!! RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing lvl 1 with Droks armor and 100K to spend on anything he wants thats gay !! Not people who enjoyed the game sofar till some Gay ass four eyes at Anet decided the game would be allot better when the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO it upo for the people who DO have a social life.. Really smart Firts i loved the game But Anet is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing it up more and more...Really play the game ur self abouyt 3 months and see for ur self...Try and expierence the stuff you guys did... Really Anet Sucks Big time RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Time wasters...

stefan16 · Aug 26, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

ya the nerf sucked.... why didnt they make it -3 energy at the 1st time so we dont have to be afraid to waist time to build a monk... then when u finally have 1 it is being unnanouncd nerfed...

that suck Anet....

wasted 100h on my Mo/w...

stefan16 · Aug 26, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

and a lot of cash to buy the runes fkers..

Engel-of-Blood · Aug 26, 2005, 11:11 PM // 23:11

/signed

wasted time

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatherNurgle

I spent retarded gold on black dye when prices spike near 40k. You expect a return so you pay more for a commodity. They nerfed it and I lost several thousand gold... Time wasted!

I bought and saved runes as prices went up!... Runes nerfed, lost time and gold.

This is before I went solo monk! I spent weeks and many hours to get what I had only to relize that they do not understand supply and demand.

What they want is a price floor and ceiling with a max release from merchants perday. BUT ANET ARE IDOITS!

Then they make soloing retarded longer! Y? Anyone could build a solo monk. I spent hours and weeks getting the gold to buy the runes!!! If you want it you play hard for it! Then it gets nerfed......... More wasted time!

The only thing ANET has done for me is waste my freaking time over and over. After you have several characters who lvl20, one of the only joys in this game is farming and trying to unlock items for PvP. It is not the monks who earn their gold who spend it like retards. It is the ppl who do not work for it and purchase gold off ebay that F-up the economy causing inflation.

They make it worthless to farm in groups and make drops dumb as all hell. They only good drops came when you would solo! Great Freaking LOGIC ANET! Then you nerf the ppl who spent a retard amount of time not exploiting the game, rather playing inventive combinations with retarded achillies heals! INVINCY monks were far from invincible! They could be dropped, but not in close combat and in the right situations. A mesmer or necro would kick the crap out of a 55 monk! I can not believe you think you did a good thing.

I am not gonna continue to play your silly missions and quests over and over and over again! You game suffers from lack of replayability. I replayed the crap to get new skills so I could PvP with whatever i wanted, but that you nerfed farming and now solo builds, I am not wasting any more of my time playing your game! You want us to post, and here is my outrage. I spent so much time playing your game, and I still have things to unlock. You have made it impossible for any ppl other than complete noobs to enjoy the game!

Solo Monks provided a service. You have no idea how cheap I sold some really nice items. I sold ecto to the merchant at 7k, so that stock would be available. Now prices are going to got up and the runes I have are now worthless!

People who agree that is was a good thing refused to change and mimic the strats creative ppl came up with, or did not come up with a way to beat em. There was no perfect build that did not ahve weaknesses. You have only injured your game, by wasting peoples time and investments!

I couldn't agree with you more. Your opinion and mine are identical, yet people here ridicule and attack me personally.

Invincimonk build is totally useless outside of solo farming areas. It's totally useless in some areas that have caster mobs. So what was the logic in nerfing this build?

At time some time, the method used to nerf this build was totally moronic--rendering Protective Bond totally useless in general. (It defies logic that A.Net/NCSoft even decides to keep the skill at all as it's now useless.)

A.Net/NCSoft is acting irresponsibly by trying to baby-sit everyone. They need to take a more restraint approach. Fix something if it's really broken, but don't fix it only to break others far more significant!

A.Net/NCSoft needs to stop being reactive. Why reactive? Simple, they only wait for a problem to come up and provide a "broken" fix. Proactive would be attempt to fix the problem with proved and long-term methods--a solution that doesn't have negative impact on other aspects of the game.

Why must A.Net/NCSoft dictate the economy of the game? Why can't the players dictate that for themselves? An equilibrium will be attained if A.Net/NCSoft just stops meddling.

These meddling only serves to enrage the good hardcore players. For example, I've collected runes hoping to sell time for a lot gold--bam, rune traders are introduced...my once 60K+ runes are now only several hundred GPs. What benefit did rune traders provide other than to placate babies that can't go farm for them?

The thing about human psyche is that it wants to be challenged and it wants to be differentiated. A.Net/NCSoft is trying to create utopia in their game. This course of actions will only drive good players away.

It seems A.Net/NCSoft wants everyone to own Fissure armor or else. Well, once everyone has fissure armor, there's more reason for anyone else to play the game because you cannot be "different" anymore!

If A.Net/NCSoft wants utopia in the game then, why bother with so many classes....just have one class, say, Warriors, only and give everyone the same armor, sword and shield and one attack method...this is it to the game...now balance is attained! Now the babies that can't hit the attack button will just cry and force A.Net/NCSoft to make the attack automatic...wait, what about targeting, etc, etc.

Ace P900 · Aug 26, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

So true But Anet Now Acts liek they can only listen to the noobs and not the good players they dont want the noobs to cry so they f*ck it up for the good players...They think this is the kinda challenge we want trying to come up with another soloing build so they can F*UCK it up to...ive had it with Anet I hate them,,thats it they`re just Mofo`s

Severe · Aug 26, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

/signed

For further refrence, the squeaky wheels in guild wars get the grease.

lord_shar · Aug 26, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I played EQ for a long time as a necromancer, so none of this sounds new to me after taking constant class downgrades for almost 3 years straight.

Given the history of almost all MMORPG's/CMORPG's, no one class can stand out and shine above all others and NOT expect to get hit with the nerf-bat.

The monk out-farmed everyone else in GW and drew the ire of ANET, and when thousands of other players proceed to make solo-monk cookie-cutter builds, most reasoning players knew it was just a matter of time before ANET came to the plate. In all honesty, the solo monk is still very functional using one alternative skill. Just use search and fill in the blanks.

Fr3sH · Aug 26, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Alot of you guys complain about noobs, and saying that my farming monk was soloed. You would not be complanining if you had the mind to make your own solo farming build. You all whine because they shutdown the most common form of solo farming, which was distrubuted all over forums, and people like you mooched off of it. Now when it's been nerfed, you braindead people have no idea what to do. Ever thought of using that head of yours and creating your own solo farm build? I created my own build after just half an hour of skill analyzation that can solo UW, and it doesnt require a monk.

The real noobs are people like you, who have played for quite a while, yet are unable to formulate new builds and come on forums to cry when the build you and every other monk stole from the net is nerfed.

Plague · Aug 26, 2005, 11:41 PM // 23:41

/signed

Many of A.Net's patches seem to ignore basic problems. It's almost like they want the game played a certain way and they will throw a fit, like a child, if you don't comply by destroying any means you can muster to remedy the problem yourself, in the name of "balance."

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_shar

I played EQ for a long time as a necromancer, so none of this sounds new to me after taking constant class downgrades for almost 3 years straight.

Given the history of almost all MMORPG's/CMORPG's, no one class can stand out and shine above all others and NOT expect to get hit with the nerf-bat.

The monk out-farmed everyone else in GW and drew the ire of ANET, and when thousands of other players proceed to make solo-monk cookie-cutter builds, most reasoning players knew it was just a matter of time before ANET came to the plate. In all honesty, the solo monk is still very functional using one alternative skill. Just use search and fill in the blanks.

I believe that "knowledge is power". If a person seeks the knowledge than person can have the power. If the person is too stupid to use the forum to do an invincimonk build, that's the individual's problem not mine or A.Net/NCSoft's and A.Net/NCSoft should not pander to the individual simply because that person is too lazy or incompetent.

There is not preventing anyone from doing a monk farming build. If a person chooses to whine, A.Net/NCSoft should just simply ignore. This is the responsible response to equal opportunity! (It's also a mature response, too!)

Once everyone has a farming monk, equilibrium is attained. There no need for A.Net/NCSoft to meddle!

Look at real life from the "Christian" perspective. God dumped us here however inperfect we are and let us "fight" it out. God doesn't continually come back and tweak each race or each disease so that utopia is attainted. (At least none is known to this single-cell organism <g>)

A.Net/NCSoft is god in GW, but then need to exercise restraint and let things happen and reach equilibrium by themselves. Lend a hand only when a disease or major disaster is about to cause the inhabitants to become extinct. (And sometimes exctinction is not a bad thing <g>)

kg_lildude1 · Aug 26, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

ok people think!
murphy's law!

-Every solution breeds new problems.
-Behind every little problem there's a larger problem, waiting for the little problem to get out of the way. (maybe they dont want big problems so they dont fix little ones?)
-Nothing is as easy as it looks. (give a-net sum pts for even trying to support us)

/notsigned